Two parties: Elle and Wyatt discussing carbon fiber safety
Elle's Recruitment of Nicole (twiceasnice)
Elle provided Nicole with a sexism framing of the carbon fiber dispute.
Nicole's DM to Wyatt
Nicole (twiceasnice)July 2024
"I don't think you have any idea how exhausted Elle is from dealing with how easily you and others dismissed her concerns with this fiberglass guitar project."
The Escalation
Original conflict: Elle and Wyatt disagreeing about carbon fiber safety
After recruitment: Wyatt must now address Nicole's characterization ("exhausted", "dismissed")
Third party emotional investment: Nicole is now emotionally invested in Elle's position
Narrative control: Nicole's understanding comes from Elle's framing, not direct observation
Example 2: LX / WE/Z (December 2025)
The Original Situation
WE/Z's actual request: Asked Elle to take a break from Tuesday meetings for a month (mediation-related cooling-off period).
Elle's Recharacterization to LX
Elle to LXDecember 2025
[Characterized the request as being "ATLd"]
LX's Response (After Talking to Elle)
LXDecember 2025
"Elle just told me someone ATLd her I'm assuming its WEZ, and this is honestly a NB sabotaging move of all time"
The Triangulation Effect
Original request: "Take a break from Tuesday meetings for a month"
LX's response: Anger at WE/Z for "NB sabotaging move"
Result: LX is now emotionally invested based on false characterization
nthmost's Cleanup Work
nthmostDecember 2025
[Spent "an hour" explaining actual context to LX]
How Triangulation Works
Step 1: Identify a Sympathetic Third Party
Find someone who shares your identity category, has relationship with you, or is predisposed to support your position.
Step 2: Provide Reframed Narrative
Explain the conflict using your preferred framing, emphasizing victimization and opponent's wrongdoing.
Example: "Take a break from meetings" → "Someone ATLd her"
Step 3: Engage Third Party Emotions
Frame the situation to make third party feel protective, outraged, or sympathetic.
Example: "How exhausted Elle is", "NB sabotaging move"
Step 4: Deploy Third Party
The third party now acts on your behalf, applying pressure to your opponent without you having to do so directly.
Why This Escalates Unnecessarily
1. Multiplies the Parties
Two-party conflicts are already difficult. Adding third parties makes resolution exponentially harder because:
More people must be satisfied
More relationships are at stake
More emotional investment to manage
Coalition dynamics replace one-on-one dialogue
2. Narrative Control
The third party's understanding comes from the recruiter's framing, not direct observation. This means:
Third party has incomplete information
Original opponent must now correct multiple narratives
Third party's emotional investment is based on reframed version
Opponent faces "stacked deck" of predetermined interpretations
3. Emotional Amplification
Third parties often express emotions more strongly than the primary parties:
LX: "NB sabotaging move of all time" (more extreme than Elle's characterization)
Nicole: Advocating on Elle's behalf with emotional weight
This emotional amplification makes de-escalation harder
4. Resource Consumption
Community members must spend time correcting mischaracterizations:
nthmost: "an hour" explaining context to LX
Multiple people must now be educated about the actual situation
Energy diverted from productive work to conflict management
Triangulation vs. Seeking Support
Important: Seeking support during conflicts is normal and healthy. Triangulation is different - it involves recruiting third parties to apply pressure using a reframed narrative.
Healthy Support-Seeking
Triangulation
Seeking emotional support from friends
Recruiting allies to pressure opponent
Asking for mediation/neutral facilitation
Asking sympathetic parties to advocate
Presenting situation accurately
Reframing situation to recruit support
Support person listens without acting
Third party confronts opponent
Goal: Process emotions, gain perspective
Goal: Build coalition, apply pressure
Key Distinctions
Accuracy: Is the third party getting an accurate or reframed version?
Action: Is the third party being recruited to take action against the opponent?
Escalation: Does involving the third party escalate or de-escalate?
Resolution: Does this help resolve the conflict or expand it?
The Whisper Campaign Inversion
Pattern: Elle recruits third parties with reframed narratives, but frames opponents' discussions as "whisper campaigns" and "slander."
When Elle Triangulates
Recruits Nicole to pressure Wyatt
Tells LX that she was "ATLd" (reframing)
Involves multiple parties in conflicts
Framed as: Seeking support, community involvement
When Cloud Discusses with Others
ElleAugust 1, 2025
"Learning that she is going behind my back to gossip and complain makes me feel a) hurt by her slander, b) that backbiting and dragging 3rd parties into a negative whisper campaign is detrimental for the community"
The Double Standard
When Elle involves others: Legitimate community involvement
When opponents involve others: "Whisper campaign", "slander", "backbiting"
Community Impact
Resource Consumption
nthmost: "An hour" explaining context to LX after ATL mischaracterization
Multiple mediators: Must now manage expanded conflict with more parties
Community confusion: People operating on different understandings of situations
Trust Erosion
Difficulty verifying narratives: Who has accurate information?
Reputational damage: Based on reframed versions rather than direct observation
Coalition polarization: Community splits into factions
Contributor Withdrawal
Wyatt: Considered leaving after being target of recruitment campaign
Others: May avoid participation if disagreement leads to coalition building
How to Counter This Pattern
If You're the Target
Address the source: Go back to the original conflict party, not the recruited third party
Provide accurate context: Share the full situation with the third party if they approach you
Document the facts: Keep clear records of what actually happened vs. reframes
Avoid counter-recruitment: Don't engage in your own triangulation; seek mediation instead
If You're Approached as a Third Party
Verify the narrative: "Have you talked directly with [other person]?"
Encourage direct resolution: "This sounds like something you two should work out directly."
Offer neutral support: "I can help facilitate a conversation, but I can't take sides without hearing both perspectives."
Check your role: "Are you asking me to apply pressure, or seeking emotional support?"
If You're a Bystander
Note the pattern: "I'm seeing multiple people being brought into this conflict."
Suggest simplification: "This might be easier to resolve with just the original parties."
Verify narratives: "Let's make sure everyone has the same understanding of what happened."
Propose mediation: "Would neutral facilitation help instead of recruiting allies?"
What Makes This Stage-Skipping
Normal Conflict Progression (Stages 1-3)
Stage 1-2: Two parties disagree
Elle and Wyatt discuss carbon fiber
Elle and WE/Z discuss meeting attendance
Stage 3: Direct action between parties
Work it out directly
Agree to disagree
Request mediation if stuck
Triangulation (Jump to Stage 4)
Stage 2: Initial disagreement
[SKIP direct resolution]
Stage 4: Coalition building
Recruit Nicole to pressure Wyatt
Tell LX about being "ATLd"
Build sympathetic coalition
Result: Two-party conflict → Group dynamics